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		<title>By: Nikki @ Blasian Baby Notes</title>
		<link>http://www.honeysmoke.com/4726/children-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki @ Blasian Baby Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* I was frustrated with it.  It&#039;s been done before so many times with the same results citing the same intention...to know where society is with race issues.  But don&#039;t we already know? More important how can it be a true test when it&#039;s so limited to just two races?  Add more race options, ask new questions, and test out new theories...then they&#039;ll be moving forward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* I was frustrated with it.  It&#8217;s been done before so many times with the same results citing the same intention&#8230;to know where society is with race issues.  But don&#8217;t we already know? More important how can it be a true test when it&#8217;s so limited to just two races?  Add more race options, ask new questions, and test out new theories&#8230;then they&#8217;ll be moving forward</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.honeysmoke.com/4726/children-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly with Kayla regarding the bravery of the child who didn&#039;t follow the directions and refused to pick one color over another.  

Some time ago I saw a video of another study where children were being tested on how they responded to &quot;authority.&quot;  One of the tests involved the adult showing the child a brand new school book.  The child was then instructed to scribble on the pages with a crayon.  The poor kids were so conflicted!  You could see it on their faces.  They knew this wasn&#039;t something they should do, but here was an adult (an authority figure) telling them they had to do it.  They were torn between obeying and pleasing the adult, or doing something they knew wasn&#039;t right.  Some did scribble in the book, reluctantly or as lightly as they could, but there were a few who thought the command was ridiculous and wouldn&#039;t do it.  

Consequently, I don&#039;t know how much weight should be given to this study since kids are influenced by many things in their choices, including the person administering the test. Percola has it right--children need to learn healthy self-esteem and good messages at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly with Kayla regarding the bravery of the child who didn&#8217;t follow the directions and refused to pick one color over another.  </p>
<p>Some time ago I saw a video of another study where children were being tested on how they responded to &#8220;authority.&#8221;  One of the tests involved the adult showing the child a brand new school book.  The child was then instructed to scribble on the pages with a crayon.  The poor kids were so conflicted!  You could see it on their faces.  They knew this wasn&#8217;t something they should do, but here was an adult (an authority figure) telling them they had to do it.  They were torn between obeying and pleasing the adult, or doing something they knew wasn&#8217;t right.  Some did scribble in the book, reluctantly or as lightly as they could, but there were a few who thought the command was ridiculous and wouldn&#8217;t do it.  </p>
<p>Consequently, I don&#8217;t know how much weight should be given to this study since kids are influenced by many things in their choices, including the person administering the test. Percola has it right&#8211;children need to learn healthy self-esteem and good messages at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Percola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Percola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 11:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ernessa. think this is spot on. 


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I think the point is that they won’t affect the way I raise my children one iota, so why give them oxygen. I think the only things we can do as parents is give our children a thorough race education. We cannot control their thoughts or what doll they pick in a study such as this. We can only encourage them to have healthy self-esteems, give them good messages, and go from there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ernessa. think this is spot on. </p>
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I think the point is that they won’t affect the way I raise my children one iota, so why give them oxygen. I think the only things we can do as parents is give our children a thorough race education. We cannot control their thoughts or what doll they pick in a study such as this. We can only encourage them to have healthy self-esteems, give them good messages, and go from there.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Percola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Percola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 11:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kayla. You raise several excellent points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kayla. You raise several excellent points.</p>
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		<title>By: Percola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Percola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 11:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nikki The children were in elementary and middle school. Thanks for posting your child&#039;s results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nikki The children were in elementary and middle school. Thanks for posting your child&#8217;s results.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernessa from 32 Candles</title>
		<link>http://www.honeysmoke.com/4726/children-and-race/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernessa from 32 Candles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one little edit. I didn&#039;t complete this thought: my mother had very low self-esteem looks wise, and I myself probably would have picked a white or light-skinned doll when I was a child. It&#039;s not all the fault of the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one little edit. I didn&#8217;t complete this thought: my mother had very low self-esteem looks wise, and I myself probably would have picked a white or light-skinned doll when I was a child. It&#8217;s not all the fault of the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernessa from 32 Candles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernessa from 32 Candles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blanc2 We already have Brazilian-style colourism in the black community. And it&#039;s alive and well in Hollywood.

As to the actual post, I&#039;m so sick of people retaking this test. I&#039;m with you, what are we supposed to do with this information? I also find it hard to care about these results now that they&#039;ve come out the same for the nthteenth time. 

I think the point is that they won&#039;t affect the way I raise my  children one iota, so why give them oxygen. I think the only things we can do as parents is give our children a thorough race education. We cannot control their thoughts or what doll they pick in a study such as this. We can only encourage them to have healthy self-esteems, give them good messages, and go from there.

I&#039;ve thought about the dark/light issue a lot online and off, and lately I&#039;ve become convinced that if work on my own self-esteem and represent for confidence as a dark-skinned black person, then my daughter will think about other dark-skinned women as beautiful and interesting. My mother had very low self-esteem where her looks were concerned and I think that is why black girls are still picking white dolls in these studies. It&#039;s not all the fault of the MSM.

There&#039;s a movement on among mother&#039;s in general not to slam themselves in front of their daughters, so that they don&#039;t develop body issues early on. I think we should do the same as mothers of color.

Just having our husbands tell you that you&#039;re beautiful in front of our daughters will do loads more to affect your daughters attitude toward race than demanding that the MSM be more inclusive. I mean, don&#039;t get me wrong -- I would love to see better images of black women on TV, but it does start at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blanc2 We already have Brazilian-style colourism in the black community. And it&#8217;s alive and well in Hollywood.</p>
<p>As to the actual post, I&#8217;m so sick of people retaking this test. I&#8217;m with you, what are we supposed to do with this information? I also find it hard to care about these results now that they&#8217;ve come out the same for the nthteenth time. </p>
<p>I think the point is that they won&#8217;t affect the way I raise my  children one iota, so why give them oxygen. I think the only things we can do as parents is give our children a thorough race education. We cannot control their thoughts or what doll they pick in a study such as this. We can only encourage them to have healthy self-esteems, give them good messages, and go from there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought about the dark/light issue a lot online and off, and lately I&#8217;ve become convinced that if work on my own self-esteem and represent for confidence as a dark-skinned black person, then my daughter will think about other dark-skinned women as beautiful and interesting. My mother had very low self-esteem where her looks were concerned and I think that is why black girls are still picking white dolls in these studies. It&#8217;s not all the fault of the MSM.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a movement on among mother&#8217;s in general not to slam themselves in front of their daughters, so that they don&#8217;t develop body issues early on. I think we should do the same as mothers of color.</p>
<p>Just having our husbands tell you that you&#8217;re beautiful in front of our daughters will do loads more to affect your daughters attitude toward race than demanding that the MSM be more inclusive. I mean, don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; I would love to see better images of black women on TV, but it does start at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched bits and pieces of the CNN interviews and came away with mixed feelings.  Mostly because I&#039;m an elementary teacher and I kind of know how kids often say things that are not really about race even though it sounds like they are.  And I&#039;m always a bit of a skeptic and feel the need to question how the interviews were done, if the interviewer was biased, etc..  I thought like you did that they were kind of forcing kids to take a black vs. light skin approach when there are a lot of kids who honestly don&#039;t even think that way.  It&#039;s very common for primary school children to not color themselves accurately in self portraits, even when told to make it look like themselves, simply because they don&#039;t quite get the whole skin color thing.  I cannot tell you the number of times I&#039;ve done projects with first graders where I had construction paper in a myriad shades of skin tones and hardly any of the kids picked a shade that was even close to their actual skin color.  And as you said, if a child has never been told to think about race as a determining factor, it would be very confusing for them to suddenly have to chose which picture is the nice girl, which the teacher likes better, etc..  Also, for the one girl who actually said that she didn&#039;t think her teacher thought that certain skin colors were better, how brave she really was.  Adults forget that it is very hard for little ones to &quot;challenge&quot; what they are being told.  So if someone is telling you to pick between skin colors, most little ones will because they are used to trusting adults, following directions, etc..  The little girl who stood up for what she believed true, in essence, had the &quot;right answer&quot; but she could only get the &quot;right answer&quot; but refusing to pick and by refusing to follow the directions.  That doesn&#039;t seem like a very fair test, if you have to basically avoid the directions to get the right answer.  Are there certainly kids who come to elementary school with ideas about skin color?  Definitely.  And there are certainly kids who have been influenced by their parents, the media, their friends, etc. to view people negatively because of their skin color.  But to use this type of test as a gauge of how our nation really feels just doesn&#039;t sit well with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched bits and pieces of the CNN interviews and came away with mixed feelings.  Mostly because I&#8217;m an elementary teacher and I kind of know how kids often say things that are not really about race even though it sounds like they are.  And I&#8217;m always a bit of a skeptic and feel the need to question how the interviews were done, if the interviewer was biased, etc..  I thought like you did that they were kind of forcing kids to take a black vs. light skin approach when there are a lot of kids who honestly don&#8217;t even think that way.  It&#8217;s very common for primary school children to not color themselves accurately in self portraits, even when told to make it look like themselves, simply because they don&#8217;t quite get the whole skin color thing.  I cannot tell you the number of times I&#8217;ve done projects with first graders where I had construction paper in a myriad shades of skin tones and hardly any of the kids picked a shade that was even close to their actual skin color.  And as you said, if a child has never been told to think about race as a determining factor, it would be very confusing for them to suddenly have to chose which picture is the nice girl, which the teacher likes better, etc..  Also, for the one girl who actually said that she didn&#8217;t think her teacher thought that certain skin colors were better, how brave she really was.  Adults forget that it is very hard for little ones to &#8220;challenge&#8221; what they are being told.  So if someone is telling you to pick between skin colors, most little ones will because they are used to trusting adults, following directions, etc..  The little girl who stood up for what she believed true, in essence, had the &#8220;right answer&#8221; but she could only get the &#8220;right answer&#8221; but refusing to pick and by refusing to follow the directions.  That doesn&#8217;t seem like a very fair test, if you have to basically avoid the directions to get the right answer.  Are there certainly kids who come to elementary school with ideas about skin color?  Definitely.  And there are certainly kids who have been influenced by their parents, the media, their friends, etc. to view people negatively because of their skin color.  But to use this type of test as a gauge of how our nation really feels just doesn&#8217;t sit well with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was very sad as well. I actually saw this yesterday in the CN forums and I tried the study with my daughter. She was totally unbiased but I wonder if age plays a factor as well. Do you know how old those children were?

Here are my daughters answers:

Dumb child was the white child because she said a bad word. (lol? There&#039;s a little girl in her class who says bad words, uh oh!)

The pretty child was the darkest child

The nice child was the middle child

The smart child was the white child

The mean child was the second white child

The cool child was the darkest child

The pretty child was the middle child

As you can see, she&#039;s all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was very sad as well. I actually saw this yesterday in the CN forums and I tried the study with my daughter. She was totally unbiased but I wonder if age plays a factor as well. Do you know how old those children were?</p>
<p>Here are my daughters answers:</p>
<p>Dumb child was the white child because she said a bad word. (lol? There&#8217;s a little girl in her class who says bad words, uh oh!)</p>
<p>The pretty child was the darkest child</p>
<p>The nice child was the middle child</p>
<p>The smart child was the white child</p>
<p>The mean child was the second white child</p>
<p>The cool child was the darkest child</p>
<p>The pretty child was the middle child</p>
<p>As you can see, she&#8217;s all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Blanc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blanc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One does fear that, as America becomes more brown (via children like yours and mine), our historical black/white racism will morph into a Brazilian style colourism.  I don&#039;t know what one can do about that other than to educate one&#039;s own children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One does fear that, as America becomes more brown (via children like yours and mine), our historical black/white racism will morph into a Brazilian style colourism.  I don&#8217;t know what one can do about that other than to educate one&#8217;s own children.</p>
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